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Dissenting voices are welcome at Willohroots. People who have the courage to speak against the writer are to be commended. People who do so based on an honest biblical faith, doubly so. Marianne Lordi left a response to Tearful Salute. That required a response that is this post, Marianne, and readers, please take this in the spirit that I wrote it, one of humble love of you and of the Savior that taught me to love my God.
The most popular post on this blog is, “Close the Church of Christian Criticism”. This is written out of a feeling of repentance festering in me for decades of being a critic myself. I know we need to stand firm for doctrine, and never has one of my sermons been criticized for lack of a biblical base. [other criticisms abound, but not that one!] I feel we save Satan a lot of trouble by sniping at ourselves, and in the disunity we show as the bride of Christ. Christ seems to have a bi-polar bride who fights with herself at every opportunity.
I reply to Marianne as I have replied to many of my own flock, in love, but with the conviction of my spirit brought about by years of dedication to being lead by the Holy Spirit. If the tone of love does not flow in my words, blame my writing skills, not my heart or my intent.
Joel Olsteen is a motivational speaker , who at the end of his sermon suggests that people go to a bible church.
I personally would never sit under him, there is no meat , there is no milk, there is no meal. To the millions of the unchurched and depressed in America, he may well be the only one in their lives who tells them to go to church. He is even specific in telling people to go to a bible based church. This means that he is advertising for me. Please explain how demonizing him will lead anyone to Christ. My comment was, “he is not Satan”. He is not. Jesus loves Joel Olsteen, and please remember we have a God who can use a donkey to get His word out. We are called to love even such as Joel, and I welcome people in my church who have been broken,[some by the church] and turned to Olsteen for a positive word. I suppose none of them to be either saved or educated in scripture.
Suppose an innocent seeker followed Joel’s advice and went to a bible preaching church to find Jesus. How effective is it to save that soul to
by demonizing the one who referred him or her to come in the first place? I can’t have it. I confess I have done it myself, God forgive me if I was ever a stumbling block to Salvation.
One of Rick Warren’s big classes, thousands in number,is discribed as the following, ” ‘Fresh Start with God’ is designed to encourage, equip and assimilate new and recommitted believers as they grow in their relationship with Jesus Christ.” Please criticize this title. Have you listened to a few Rick Warren sermon’s before you made your pronouncement of his heresy? I got up early this morning to listen to a few before I posted my reply to you, as I wish to be fair. It is not my style, it is his style, and I can see his appeal, and he does preach Christ. From 205 people on Easter Sunday 1980 to 22,000 last Sunday, he has grown a church a little. Do you think none of them saved? If you are repeating the mantra that Warren does not preach Christ, without listening to him preach, you have become a gossip, not by my judgement, but by the Bible’s. God forgives us when we forgive others, recognize our sin and turn from it.
Marianne, you are convinced that Rick Warren will pay a price at the Judgement. We can not do this! God looks at the secret places of the heart, we can not do that. Jesus said he did not come to judge, yet you and I wish to do that which the Blessed Savior refused to do. He will judge when the time is right. We are the branches, Jesus the true vine, God the Gardener, He will prune or cause to flourish whom He will. Please, I beg of you, do not put yourself in such a dangerous position as presuming to judge, for with the same measurement we use to judge will we be judged ourselves. I could not stand to such a judgement, and you can not either, for we have all sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. Is Christ’s blood not effective for the cleansing of Rick Warren’s sins?
Google Rick Warren, the first 4 or 5 pages are criticisms and denouncements. Does this serve the Kingdom of Christ? Why are there more pages criticizing Warren than Todd Bently or Andrew Womack? I will post some possible reasons.
- It is easier to be a Saturday morning quarterback then to get on the field
- Guys from little churches like mine are jealous, envy motivates them to find fault
- He doesn’t do things the way you or I would
- He is not perfect, therefore there really are points to pick on and be correct about
- When you stand up for Christ, rocks will be thrown.
- Most of us on the internet are so desperate for readers that we will join the criticize club to get some hits
- It is easier to use the bible to see the sins of others than to use the bible as a mirror to see the depths of our own sin.
I salute you Marianne for your desire for the Gospel, and I love you for your love of the Lord. We most likely share a doctrinal statement with very little deviation. I wish you were in my church, and were my friend, but as I said in the post you responded to, will you allow me to stand with you? Am I ” out of the club” for my opinions? I have been thrown out of a few churches, so that is not a new experience for me. Somehow, through Divine Providence he has given me a pulpit and a mission in life, things I was too foolish to seek, so He must have some purpose to drive my life. [ sorry I just had to do that] By the way, I did not think much of Rick Warren’s book, ”Purpose Driven Life”, not enough bible for me, but he is still my brother.
I wish to comment on one more thing, and it is a personal beef of mine.
“As it says in James,if you desire wisdom on a matter, ask and God will give it to you. Pray about it. God bless you.”
This implies that if I would just pray and seek God’s wisdom, I would end up agreeing with you. My dear believer, the distance from God’s mouth to you ear is no shorter than from His to mine. In this statement is the crux of the matter , Christianity is not a competitive sport! There is no “I am more saved than you are” we are saved! The only possible measure of our faith is the fruit of our works. Have you brought 22,00o people to church lately? Me neither.
I do salute you. Thank you for allowing me to use you to show the source of the tear in my eye.
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